By: Toby Gould, Student Voices editor
|Robinson speaking at Oxford Union|
In 2014, Tommy spoke at the Oxford Union (watch it here) and now there are plans in place for him to give a speech and participate in a Q&A at the University of York. I spoke to him about speaking at universities and free speech in the UK.
I asked him why he thought universities invite him to speak, and why it is that he has taken up the offers.
TR “When I walked into Oxford University, I doubt very much many people come from the background I’ve come from or lived in the areas I have. So when they go into their life and into their careers, they need some sort of understanding of why people feel are feeling like this.” And he says he thinks he achieved this in Oxford. He says “I talk on behalf of a lot of people, who are scared to raise these issues”.
Of course he’s fully aware of the opposition that he faces on university campuses, and recognises that even getting his views across is more than an uphill struggle. “I know I’m going into these universities where most of these students don’t like me… there’s no benefit to me”.
I was going to bring his views on ‘no-platforming’ up, but he did it for me. Inevitably he was critical.
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TR: “This whole angle of no-platform, which is this far left opinion – If they want to look at the reason why Brexit happened, the reason why Donald Trump happened, the reason why the left are going to be booted from every position of power in Europe, it’s because of this attitude. This attitude that you can’t say that, you can’t speak. This is oppression of free speech and stopping people from having opinions, which they have anyway.” He continued: “All these people calling themselves ‘anti-fascist, that’s the biggest problem for me: ‘we’re anti-fascist, but we want to stop you talking’. It doesn’t make any sense.”
So should anyone ever be banned from talking at universities?
TR “I think that anybody who incites violence, or someone who has openly said in the past that homosexuals should be executed [shouldn’t be allowed to speak]. Other than that I’m totally free speech.” But Tommy did become a bit defensive. I didn’t directly relate it to him, but we are all aware of the accusations of inciting violence, or being violent, which (rightly or wrongly) he faces. I have never ever, which I’ll do in this University talk I’ll show people what I’ve said… not what the media have told you what I’ve said… I’ve never incited any violence ever. I just speak.”
I didn’t want to go into a great amount of detail or debate over his views on Islam and radical Islam. A short phone conversation is not the best place to challenge such ideas and I wants this interview to be more about speaking at universities, free speech and Tommy’s views on this – a prelude to the event at York. But I had to challenge him when he claimed University campuses were a hotbed for radical Islam:
TR: “I think the worries people used to have as parents would be that your child would go to university, take drugs or drink. Now, they’re going to join a radical Islamic group at university, throw away their career and become a Jihadist.”
Does he really believe this?
TR: “The numbers speak for themselves. If you look at ISIS recruits from Germany, 60% of them are university graduates… I think it’s a huge problem embedded in the British education system”.
“When you live away from home for the first time, you’re vulnerable. That’s when they’re preying on people. That’s wrong. That’s what’s happening. I think that kids going to university should be protected. Protected from the ideology of [radical Islam].
There was a clear message he wanted to get across – that he’s not inciting violence, and is happy to talk to and debate anyone:
TR: “Most Muslims don’t oppose me coming. This is what I’ve said to everyone: if anyone wants to talk to me, whether it be the Muslim association, whether it be Muslim groups at universities, I’m happy to, after my talk, talk to them and discuss and debate. If people want to protest me, I’m happy afterwards to come out and talk to the protesters. I’m happy to sit down and discuss my ideas with them. I’m happy to debate any of them.
“I don’t want someone to be standing there in ten years’ time talking about how they lost their freedom of speech”
TR: “The country I thought I lived in is a very different country to the one I accept I live, when it comes to freedom and democracy. Whether you disagree with me, despise me, hate me or you love me, I have a right, in this country, to talk”.
This interview is to help get an insight into the views of Tommy Robinson on free speech in the UK and his experiences speaking at Universities. I want it to contribute to a wider debate around free speech and who should be invited to speak on campuses. The interview was not about Tommy’s views on Islam or his past political activates. Tommy Robinson is due to speak at the University of York on 19th January 2017.
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